While always a point of contention, Genshin Impact’s gacha system is failing to withstand the test of time as more and more units come out. Today we’ll be discussing everything wrong with Genshin’s banners and what can be done to alleviate them.
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snow white idol
17.06.2023idk about 5* but we should get a guaranteed 4* of our choice at least once on banners. on ittos 1st banner i got him to c1 and a mona before even getting c2 gorou, i got yoimiya c2 before c6 xinyan and I got a bunch of trash- not even a single kaveh this time around 😭 its so frustrating, specially as a f2p who spends ridiculous amounts of time saving for a 4* and not even getting them in the end 💔💔💔
veeshadow
17.06.2023To be fair another problem beside banners is how few the top up options. Low spenders will be stuck with Welkin and Battle Pass for $15. That's it. I can spend $50-100 if the game can have another promotional top up with benefits.
If I convert other game's experience, I can double in-game Primo rewards from everything with this premium (Spiral Abyss, Commission, Events). The game even warn me if I almost get a Primo to cancel my progress If I'm not in Premium status and lose the extra rewards from Premium…
Genshin is not my main game to spend too much, so I'm sure people who main this game but don't whale too much want more options than just Welkin and Battle Pass…
E 9701
17.06.2023I think they should just chuck all the power crept characters that they don't want to run onto the standard banner, eula albedo and klee should be first.
Robert Cook
17.06.2023This seems like more of a whale problem. Those who aren't Wales, appreciate the extra opportunities. How to keep the Wales interested while the rest of us catch up, that is the billion dollar question. A system based on subscriptions and earned rewards seems like a more stable system then relying on Wales to support the entire community via gachas.
BooTao
17.06.2023money
FreakGeSt
17.06.2023No, dual/triple 5* in a banner is devil's worst sin, you ALWAYS get the character you don't want, the 4* are the prime example of that.
Alonzo910
17.06.2023Klee's rerun is more of a summer rerun for gaa
Chum Bum
17.06.2023I can attest to the whole characters being immersed thing. Speaking from my experience, I’ve dbz Dokkan battle for almost eight years and imma be honest… the characters feel flat cause like… WE KNOW THEM and there’s nothing new lore wise. It’s just transformations, the only hype is that it’s the coolest looking one, that’s why I like genshin characters a little more, cause they feel like actual people
Ken O-O
17.06.2023Maybe have a rotation in the standard banner as well. Since there's more 5 stars than a dedicated banner, the RNG will still work to stall players from getting their desired character while still giving the chance. The current standard has been up for nearly 3 years now, and Tighnari and Dehya were the only new addition to the list. If we can have, say, a by-region monthly standard banner, that'd be cool. ✨️
TTC
17.06.2023gacha is what it is… what's actually killing the game is mihoyo focusing on the wrong things (e.g. pot, tcg) rather than adding to what genshin is really meant to be, which is an open world ARPG
Magic Lover
15.06.2023100% agree with rotating limited 5* characters into the standard banner at each new Region release (Minus the archons), then couple that with that with a less favourable pity system on the standard banner. Ie something like every 400 wishes on the standard banner you get a character ticket that lets you obtain a standard banner character of choice. It'll make their appearing on the limited banner cost effective but also give you a way to grind your way to your character of choice. At the moment standard wishes have 0% excitement associated with them.
Another improvement I would like
– On a characters 1 year anniversary put them on the limited banner but with a double bonus (For every time you pull this character you get a free constellation)
At the moment constellations on 5 star characters just don't seem worth it for dolphins and F2P
As a Welking and Battlepass player myself I never go for constellations on 5*'s. If I have saved enough Primo's I go for the weapon banner. My reasoning is the limited 5 star weapons are by the most part good stat sticks and are transferable between characters. I prefer to have a better selection of tools on my belt for my characters than constellations for character that are currently out of favour.
Great example I ran Jean Sunfire this abyss cycle and gave Xianglin the Staff of Homa and I gave Jean Jadecutter.
And yes Homa was still a better investment than going for constellations on Hu Tao even c1.
Some weapon banners ie Homa/Elegy have a guaranteed usable weapon even if you don't get to hard pity.
phatpat63
15.06.2023I find is curious that everyone seems very concerned about Eula's rerun, but there was pretty much crickets leading up to Hu Tao's a few months ago, when her last banner had been closer to Genshin's initial release than the date of that rerun.
BallDestroyer3000
15.06.2023Hoyo should allow constellations to be exchanged for a character of your choice. Lets say, 5 for 5 stars and 10 for 4 stars. I'd be very happy to exchange my 6 ningguang and 4 sayu constellations for a single benett lol. I'm sure there are people who would happily trade in their Qiqi constellations for a character whos banner they've just missed.
Brain Dead Spy
15.06.2023Hoyoverse should make a "limited" standard banner where it's 6 random characters and their weapons spanning over 3 months
Bimo Ichmu
15.06.2023in Arknights, every new banner will have increased rate of *6 for the first ten pulls. And this first ten pulls still counts towards total pity. Maybe hoyo could implement this system to rerun banners.
Jake Squad
15.06.2023If Aloy was actually somewhat decent, she'd likely be popular.
Isabella J
15.06.2023Love it especially for older characters, its be cool if they cool be added to standard and still have small banner releases at the same time
Anas Azmi
15.06.2023At this point, the standard rotation only brings frustration to veteran players who have gotten most of the characters in it, making losing pity a bad thing. Adding older characters should have been a given. Why aren't Klee or Albedo in the standard rotation? Why do we still not have 5* Geo characters in it? Why is there only 1 character per element (excluding Pyro and, again, Geo)?
And thanks to the gacha system being set that way, the stigma has been persisting for almost as long as the game has been running. The one banner featuring a standard character was so unpopular thanks to the system that no standard character has been included in rate-ups ever since (excluding characters like Tighnari & Dehya that are going to the standard rotation in the version after they're introduced). If there's anything I've learned from playing FGO, it's that it's okay to feature standard characters if your standard rotation is big enough to make getting the characters you want difficult.
While I would agree with region or event based rate ups involving many 5* characters per banner, I also don't see how the current pity system can be integrated in them. Might even need separate pity systems.
Inksplosion Games
15.06.2023There should be a new slow to earn currency that only allows you to spend it on older characters that they do not already have. They are not making money off them anyways why not do this method and draw in more players or call back others like me. After 1.5 years I am not enthused to go back to Genshin.
Ganamabunta08
15.06.2023I personally think they should rework the Paimon shop.
34 starglitter get you a 4 star OF YOUR CHOICE and 306 get you a 5 star of your choice too.
If you want to get the black cliff weapons (or whatever is currently available in the Paimon) via that system; you can. But you're not forced to
baratacom
13.06.2023Honestly, the ideal solution for me would be to have the unit of choice system tied to overcapping unit constellations
So once you get your "7th" and up constellations with a character you gain one of the resource and once you have enough, you can trade for a 4 or 5 star of your choosing
Say, once you get 10 of the 4 star variant you can choose a given 4 star and you need like 30~50 of it for a 5 star, while the 5 star variant is good for a instant 4 star or 10 to get a 5 star of your choosing
Duskey Chip
13.06.2023While I do see this becoming a problem way down the line, so far their system has been better than most other gacha games out of the many that I play. While I would like a better system of course, I feel as though they have done a good job with handling it so far. Instead of it being a small chance you get a character that was put in standard, you can almost guarantee that within a year a character you want will have rate up and you can kind of plan for that. Both sides have their negatives and positives, so I wish genshin was like azur lane or FGO and put in a few old units into standard over time so there is less to rerun.
Kuna1to
13.06.2023How about Hyv rotate the set of standard 5 star characters annually
Man Nila
13.06.2023The "rate up" is a literal scam. After the banner the character is gone, there is no way to get them. That's why there's no such thing as "rate up", rate up from what ? they don't exist outside of their banner. Yet they keep using the word "rate up" to trick you. It's not feel like a scam, it is a scam.
Sadly to see anything that can make genshin a little better, they put all of that into HSR. They know the lifespan of this game is done, so they move on, when it's at its peak they treated it as a cash cow, now when it not anymore they don't even have a reason to fix it.
Facundo Marticorena
13.06.2023Triple banners sound so simple but I actually think they're the best option. Maybe even quadruple banners
Rasan Moore
13.06.2023Stop giving out free money tips they doing fine tof comes to ps this summer it's over
Sonny FIRESTORM
13.06.2023All Major Arguments/Angles Covered: check.
Aloy Mention: check.
Alright Vars, you won this time. Here's your LCS.
NekonoChesire
13.06.2023At 5:58 I can't fucking believe you just brushed off the actual solution like that without any reasoning whatsoever beside that stupid "when does it stop ?". Why should it stop ? More slot = more frequent rerun for all characters. There's gacha where there's periods with 5/6 different banner to fit everyone and nobody is complaining about them because why would they ?
Seriously do tell me what's the downside of putting more rerun slot into the gacha each patch ? That it becomes too expensive to get everyone ? It's already too expensive to get everyone and that should never be a plan anyway unless you're a whale, and if you're a whale you won't mind 3 slots as it's make it faster to collect everyone. In the first place having more slots is a bad move for Hoyoverse because it makes it so people will spend way less on the new shiny toy from the patch so it's something you should be advocating for.
The only reason you brushed it aside like that is because it doesn't fit with the narrative of your video.
Starlette
13.06.2023I cannot believe that one reddit post that was literally saying they WANTED hoyoverse to be even more scummy with pushing spending money on their game by making characters single time runs 😭they cannot be serious that's so fucked up! Why would you WANT more scummy business practices from gacha game companies?! They have to be tripping on meth or something to genuinely think any of that was a good idea.
Starlette
13.06.2023Also they can just do what honkai impact does and occasionally bring these banners where you can select between a limited number of limited S rank battle suits, you can pick one to be rate up, pull for them, and if you get them you can switch the banner to a different character and pull for them too. It would all be in 1 banner and so you could have multiple reruns going at once and people can pick between which lim they want from this rerun banner and swap over if they get what they want or change their mind. I quite like those banners honestly.
Jamndude3
10.06.2023They literally addressed all of these issues in Honkai Impact 3rd. Post development, I might add. Those and the leveling material madness.
Justin Flores
10.06.2023I am so glad I don't put a penny into this game and get everything they give for free. I said this stuff right before even inazuma and during the first banners on WHY genshin is the only Gatcha that doesn't add the old units to the standard banner
Like WHY IS KLEE AND ZHONGLI hell even VENTI not in the base banner almost 3 years into the game. It's all a major cash grab doing re-runs especially for such old units and people called me crazy.
Heat Seeker
10.06.20234:37 "… they have their place in the Genshin universe"
*shows Aloy
Edit: nvm, this guy's good. He adresses it a few seconds later. I should be more patient when I comment
wilhelm
10.06.2023i'd prefer 2 weeks per banners, 3 phases per patch (2, 2, 2) to 3 banners and 2 phases (3, 3). makes more sense
0002pA
10.06.2023I feel like they could actually make more money all year around if people wouldn't save up all their primos for like 3 or 4 banners a year.
This sucks the most for new players, which I am one of. Sure, early on it doesn't matter too much which characters you have since you are still learning, but after a few weeks you'd be interested in actually building an interesting combination of characters… but you just can't.
There really should be a "any 4* character" banner at least. Potentially even a "any 5* character". That just means the people who want to wait for the increased rate limited banners can still do just that.
LuckySniper
10.06.2023I haven't gotten a 5 star yet I've been playing since January
Local Man
10.06.2023Ive been saying this for years even though i know theyd never do it
Region banners
Happen? Such a low chance i have a higher chance of having every 5star C6 including C6 starter characters
Wanted? Very (for me)
Cássio Lemos
10.06.2023I once heard someone say that Mihoyo can't change their banner system because every limited banner has a line stating that "This unit will never be placed on the standard banner" (or something like that) and China's Costumer Protection governamental body would charge them for lying and "fomoing" people into spending money or whatever (and we all know how strict China is when it comes to videogames and gambling practices). So is it possible that Mihoyo actually (accidentally or not) created a trap for themselves and fell for it?
Teodorito
10.06.2023I'm surprised you didn't do the research about the Wanderlust Invocation banner description and how event banner characters can NOT be ever moved into the Standard banner unles explicitly stated before launch like Tighnari and Dehya. They CAN'T add Venti to the standard for example based on their wording (and being untrue and adding say Yae to standard right after her banner would make people distrust them AND they'd get in trouble for lying, first creating fomo and then out of the blue "screwing" players who spent money to get Yae on her previous banners, if they dont break any sort of lootbox rule in Europe or wherever about such behavior).
They COULD make a new "standard V2 banner" with whatever units they release like Lyney or Fontaine Archon etc, but they can't simply move more characters to standard.
Kevin Ngo
10.06.2023wish mhy took a page out of FGO and did gssr for anni or ssr tickets every now and then
nise san
09.06.2023i have ALL the waifus except jean
my standard roster consists of a c4 mona, c1 dehya, c2 diluc, c1 keqing, c1 qiqi and a c0 tighnari
ironically, she's the first waifu we meet in-game :<
ICrickenn
09.06.2023You can't add a character that was advertised before hand as limited into a permanent banner, it would bring all sorts of law related issues.
I think the best solution is to make it so that banners last 14 days instead of 21, there's no reason for a banner to last 21 days, but I think the way things are right now is not as bad as it was when it had 2 single banners per patch back in inazuma days, the Eula problem is not a problem of the banner system, its them not wanting to bring her back, they could have done it many many times already, there are units that had 3 reruns in the time Eula had 0. It's not a system problem.
A more pressing matter is the lack of content that this game has, and the lack of care from the devs towards it's comunity, it drives WAY more people away from the game then the banners, and Honkai Star Rail helped people realize that, Genshin dev team are just bad, they purposedly choose not to listen to the playerbase, you can tell that they have the feedback because Star Rail has a LOT of solutions to Genshin's systems in the game, yet nothing comes out in genshin to adress those issues.
shivam srivastava
09.06.2023They need to remove 5 star weapons from the banner
Noble Bear
09.06.2023In NIKKE, not only are units added to Standard, you can wishlist the units you'd most want. This means while you have the same odds of pulling an SSR, when you do, you have a higher chance of it being one you want.
gabriel fernandes
09.06.2023I think trowing everyone in the standard is a bad idea, since it just makes it so hard to get them imagine u need to have like a 10 % chance to get the character u want, and then as more get added the chances get slimmer, there would need to be some kind of way to get around this as u said to choose someone
ChilledOut_548
09.06.2023the fortitious invitation thing during lantern rite is the only unit-of-choice event ive heard of and currently a thing, gladly got xingqiu from that. maybe a version of that for regional five stars could work, maybe during a regional festival/event (lantern rite, windblume, iridori, and uhh idk if a parade of providence counts here) though some might overlap as more regions release so maybe this might not work that well longterm 🤔plus it might end up just being closer to showering people with five stars later on💀 (maybe a regional banner with the chart course thingy could work instead idk)
Hedde van Heerde
09.06.2023Adding more banners honestly seems fine to me. Adding characters to the standard banner for me just means I'll never have a chance to get them again, without rate ups I don't assume I'm getting any standard banner character. The limited roster of standards is, in my opinion, very sensible.
aliariel
09.06.2023this is a great video but I can't help thinking… they're called limited characters for a reason. technically speaking hyv can decide a unit is obsolete and never rerun them.
Pieter Lindeque
09.06.2023Genshin is essentially a fake gacha. It's less a "roll for characters and get lucky" game and more a "save up enough currency to buy the character you want" game. I've gotten Yoimiya at 19 pity. That changes nothing. The mean is 74 because that's when the actual rate becomes tenable. There's a reason the pity system is always, ALWAYS, the central point of conversation for the gacha system in this game. Because in Genshin you live and die by the pity system. The only really rational approach to how awful the gacha is is to save up 160 fates every time and then just "buy" the 5 star you want. This however takes literally months to do unless you pay. It's gross. Genshin is a good game that I enjoy but unfortunately it has the single worst gacha I've ever played in a video game period and I play a ton of gacha games.
Dengist
09.06.2023Bro I think you got something important wrong: the goal of Mihoyo is milk as much money as possible, not making player experience better